Curse

netniwk · Jan 14, 2008, 03:27 PM // 15:27

I got enough money for prestige armor by just playing through the campaigns,then there is the extra money you can earn from the unlocked chest and xunlai agent house,you don't even have to work for that!

Rocky Raccoon · Jan 14, 2008, 03:40 PM // 15:40

Prestige armor is just that, to make you look pretty. You can play the game with armor that has all the same stats for very little money. I have been playing for 2-1/2 years and still haven't bought any 15K armor, but it has had no affect on my game enjoyment.

TaCktiX · Jan 14, 2008, 03:42 PM // 15:42

The amount of pure farming I've done would number in less than 15 hours on my 2600+ hour account. I can't stand it. It's boring, repetitive, and there's always something else I could be doing that's more fun AND will get me some funds.

Yet I have FoW and 7 other elite armor sets across my characters. As other people have said, just play the game, set aside money as it comes and work up to that elite set. None of my armor sets have come quickly, I had to wait a goodly amount of time to get the cash. And the fact that I had fun doing this mission, capping that skill, vanquishing that area the entire time makes it worth it.

And if that just isn't doing it for you, take a break as still others have said. Guild Wars grows on you and you don't realize how much fun it is until you've had a break from the boring monotony you were doing.

Angelic Upstart · Jan 14, 2008, 04:03 PM // 16:03

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Originally Posted by Quaker

I don't exactly know what you mean when you say "grinding for money". Are you out "farming" just to get money to buy fancy stuff?
If you are, that could be your problem. Personally, I've never found "farming" for anything (money or materials) to be either fun or even cost effective.
The simplest way to make money is to simply play the game - pick up all your drops and coins, sell the junk to the merchant and sell the good stuff to other people. Sell the good stuff in game if you don't mind standing around in Kamadan or L.A., or use the buy/sell forums or auctions here on Guru.

But at any rate, as has already been said - you don't need the fancy stuff to play the game. The fancy armor and fancy weapons are not any better than the plain ones, stats-wise.

QFT

Then there is HM Solo farming which can be relatively rewarding not to mention challenging,but whatever floats your boat really.

garethporlest18 · Jan 14, 2008, 04:05 PM // 16:05

Some of you don't understand what he's saying. He doesn't want the armor to play the game, all that's fun that's left in this game is to get that armor.

This game is a very very very short game. If you take away the effort for titles and armor, you'd lose nearly every part of the playing Guild Wars population (PvE wise) and it'd become a 3D chatroom, it's just not that fun beyond that.

Farming used to be fun though, but it lost it's luster a while ago.

Ctb · Jan 14, 2008, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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This game is a very very very short game.

Maybe if you sit in front of it for hours on end, day after day...

garethporlest18 · Jan 14, 2008, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Maybe if you sit in front of it for hours on end, day after day...

Story wise no. Everyone has a day off work or school or life, some people like to spend those days playing games, sometimes you only need 2 of those days. Factions and Nightfall only required 2 of those days. Prophecies was longer for me, I was a noob then though. This guy sounds like he's no longer noob. Of course there's the lot that likes to take things slow as well and I'm sure the game will last longer for them than it did me. I was speaking from opinion though, not basing it as fact.

But see you missed the fact where I said remove the effort for titles/15k or Obsidian armor.

Rocky Raccoon · Jan 14, 2008, 04:21 PM // 16:21

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

Some of you don't understand what he's saying. He doesn't want the armor to play the game, all that's fun that's left in this game is to get that armor.

This game is a very very very short game. If you take away the effort for titles and armor, you'd lose nearly every part of the playing Guild Wars population (PvE wise) and it'd become a 3D chatroom, it's just not that fun beyond that.

Farming used to be fun though, but it lost it's luster a while ago.

I totally disagree, there is so much to do, and so many variations to do them.
If you only played 1 character and played all the way through it still wouldn't be short. With all the professions available it is far from being a short game.

Fril Estelin · Jan 14, 2008, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

But see you missed the fact where I said remove the effort for titles/15k or Obsidian armor.

And you seemed to miss the point that the game can be enjoyed in different ways. One can go quickly, one can go fast, one can go the easy way, another one the hard way. And so on. To many people this game is still a lot of fum (if not, there'd be no one playing it).

Torqual · Jan 14, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by iontichy

Hi all,

after playing this game for some time, I'm experiencing a major drop in motivation.

There's an easy solution to this. Try rebalancing by taking some points out of Leadership and, if necessary, Spear Mastery. Then buy a rune of Superior Motivation for 100g. Problem solved, surely.

Or do I misunderstand?

garethporlest18 · Jan 14, 2008, 04:45 PM // 16:45

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

I totally disagree, there is so much to do, and so many variations to do them.
If you only played 1 character and played all the way through it still wouldn't be short. With all the professions available it is far from being a short game.

My answer to this, well Fril said the gist of it. Also no, like I said, I completed Factions/Nightfall in 2 days with that 1 character, so yes it was short. And again I'm talking story wise here. If we were to make everything easy to get, and all there was left to do after beating a campaign would be killing monsters or chatting in towns. Furthermore I said that because the 15k armor brings him fun, but to get to that 15k armor he has to work and he doesn't feel he should have to work in a game that is suppose to be fun.

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

And you seemed to miss the point that the game can be enjoyed in different ways. One can go quickly, one can go fast, one can go the easy way, another one the hard way. And so on. .

And to you I say, I did not miss that point, in fact I placed it in my post.

"Of course there's the lot that likes to take things slow as well and I'm sure the game will last longer for them than it did me. I was speaking from opinion though, not basing it as fact."

LeoX · Jan 14, 2008, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

I have been playing for 2-1/2 years and still haven't bought any 15K armor, but it has had no affect on my game enjoyment.

Really? I bow before you, how did you resist?

Yeah, i mean if you get bored, and de-motivated, it's generally a good idea to take a break, like a few weeks or a month.
I talk with experience from various games, including GW, when i've come back after a break i've always been much more motivated and had more fun.

Farming for me isn't really boring, i just enjoy it because i have that little thought in my head about the next drop which will give me that little bit more money. I naturally get bored after hours of farming, probably because i'm tired, or that i'm over annoyed at my internet connection disconnecting haha. Then i give it a break, go watch some tv or just browse the web, come back and be re-motivated to farm.. but yeah it's grind if you want the luxury items, and i understand it bores people to grind.

Dkraftwerk · Jan 14, 2008, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

I totally disagree, there is so much to do, and so many variations to do them.
If you only played 1 character and played all the way through it still wouldn't be short. With all the professions available it is far from being a short game.

I agree with you Risky. I have been playing my Mesmer for just under a year now and only just recently did I beat Prophecies, and I have all 3 campaigns along with EoTN. I also just got my first elite armor set this weekend, most of the money was collected from just running missions/quests. I did create a farming Monk to help boost my funds which made it all the more easier. It took some time but well worth it. I don't spend hours upon hours of farming either, I just hop on to him for a little while whenever I feel like it and pick a spot and kill stuff for a little while.

Kahlindra · Jan 14, 2008, 05:07 PM // 17:07

The game may need a large amount of gold in the long-run (that's debatable, really), but you GET a large amount of gold if you play for the long haul. When I think about the oodles of plat I've spent during the past 2.5 years, I feel a bit dizzy. Doing nothing special but as everyone else above says- picking up, playing through the game, doing hardmode..... millions of gold.

All spent :-)

garethporlest18 · Jan 14, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08

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Originally Posted by Dkraftwerk

I agree with you Risky. I have been playing my Mesmer for just under a year now and only just recently did I beat Prophecies, and I have all 3 campaigns along with EoTN. I also just got my first elite armor set this weekend, most of the money was collected from just running missions/quests. I did create a farming Monk to help boost my funds which made it all the more easier. It took some time but well worth it. I don't spend hours upon hours of farming either, I just hop on to him for a little while whenever I feel like it and pick a spot and kill stuff for a little while.

This is my point. If Anet had made it so money was not necessary for anything you wanted in game and could have every rare skin weapon/armor wise and every title you wanted for a very small sum (10-20g), would you still have had that much fun in this game?

When I said what I said up there about this being a very very short game (said it totally wrong and should have used a comma not a period) if none of this "after story" stuff was around, I meant just that. But length of a game is subjective and to me, if it doesn't last at least a month it's very very short. I might have over exaggerated some of the very's though.

Ctb · Jan 14, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Factions and Nightfall only required 2 of those days.

I'm not going to argue with you. Even if it did take you some tiny amount of time, I seriously doubt your anecdotal evidence jives with the extreme majority of the community's experiences. Just to counteract your claim, it took me several months to play through all the Prophecies content. There, now we're tied 1-1.

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Really? I bow before you, how did you resist?

Pfft. My original Warrior's 1.5k armor doesn't even MATCH because I bought it back before you could add prefixes and just bought whatever pieces of it I had materials for. I found it annoying enough to have to go grinding to find my first sup vigor rune, "back in the day".

Not everybody who plays these games cares about being at the "top" or the "phat lewtz". Even if I did care about having that sort of thing, there's no way I'd have the time to grind out the money, materials and reputation anyway.

Aera Lure · Jan 14, 2008, 05:23 PM // 17:23

Guild Wars was never meant to be a long term PvE endeavor. Most of the money for things you speak of are skins - its all max armor and weapons actually are in this game. You dont need any of it. This was originally seen as a boon and something unique in the MMO arena. It still is. However, over an extended period of time, you do need things to accumulate and to do. When it later became a focus for many players, Anet added titles to "extend" this area of the game indefinitely.

Some would say this made Guild Wars the ideal balance - you can spend ages trying to get certain armor skins and certain rarely dropped weapons, or ignore the money market and go for titles, or do both - or you can not worry about it at all and just play. Fine and well - many have done that for years. Myself included. I'm not so sure now.

I was in the money accumulation track for a long time, then just tired of it when it felt like a job. Other MMOs I enjoy that, as I'm developing a character, but not so in Guild Wars. I took a long break and came back instead to simply play and work on titles. The gameplay ones (Protector and Guardian, Vanquisher, few others) are fun, at least to me. I then hit the brick wall when I got into the grindy ones and just decided Guild Wars wasnt for me anymore, much as I loved the game, much as I still do. Maybe I'll come back, but I first have to fix my PC, so I have an actual hurdle preventing me from coming back out of retirement this time.. anyway:

My advice is take a break. You'll then find at some point you want to come back and just play, with certain goals in mind for yourself, be it titles, skins, what have you. The fun mostly comes down to who you play with and the gameplay. Cant really go looking for more than that.

Dkraftwerk · Jan 14, 2008, 05:34 PM // 17:34

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

This is my point. If Anet had made it so money was not necessary for anything you wanted in game and could have every rare skin weapon/armor wise and every title you wanted for a very small sum (10-20g), would you still have had that much fun in this game?

When I said what I said up there about this being a very very short game (said it totally wrong and should have used a comma not a period) if none of this "after story" stuff was around, I meant just that. But length of a game is subjective and to me, if it doesn't last at least a month it's very very short. I might have over exaggerated some of the very's though.

If you are asking, I can honestly answer yes to that. Now that I have pretty, expensive armor it doesn't make much difference from before. I see what you are saying though about it being a "goal" to achieve. I never intended to get 15k armor, it just happened one day that I said "wow I have a lot of money...when did that happen?". So I just kept going until I had enough to get a full set. Truly the only reason I wanted the elite enchanters set is so he could look totally swanky when I quest and do missions, because let's face it, Mesmers kick arse in the fashion department

I still run missions, do quests that got forgotten, just started running Sorrow's Furnace, tried Tomb of Primeval Kings, still haven't seen the Underworld and Fissure of Woe, Domain of Anguish...the list goes on. I love to explore and experience these areas, so I'm slowly making my way to them. The game is no where near being over for me, and I don't expect it to be for a long long time. This is all forgetting PvP too.

Longasc · Jan 14, 2008, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by iontichy

I'm experiencing a major drop in motivation. It seems that you need ridiculous amounts of monetary units to play this game in the long run, especially to get elite armor sets and other nice stuff.
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Now for my basic problem. This is supposed to be a game, right? Which means: something you do in your free time to relax, have some fun, right?

This is your personal problem, not one of the game. It is about your personal goals and expectations.

Your definition of FUN seems to be that you can get Obsidian Armor and all other 15k armors quickly, ideally today.

You do not need to get Obsidian armor at all, after 3 years I do not have a single part. Note, I am not poor, rather the opposite, I have a complete hall and almost all minis ever released and could fill several more halls with armor sets for my 10 PvE chars.

Still, nobody needs more than 500 gold or 2k at max to play the game, for id kit and sup salvage kit, and not even that at a very basic level.

I found vanquishing for the title quite boring after a while, but I considered it worth it and took my time...

You behave like someone is forcing you to play a game that bores you to hell.

My advice: take a break, ideally a longer break. play another game and come back later or not.

garethporlest18 · Jan 14, 2008, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by Dkraftwerk

If you are asking, I can honestly answer yes to that. Now that I have pretty, expensive armor it doesn't make much difference from before. I see what you are saying though about it being a "goal" to achieve. I never intended to get 15k armor, it just happened one day that I said "wow I have a lot of money...when did that happen?". So I just kept going until I had enough to get a full set. Truly the only reason I wanted the elite enchanters set is so he could look totally swanky when I quest and do missions, because let's face it, Mesmers kick arse in the fashion department

I still run missions, do quests that got forgotten, just started running Sorrow's Furnace, tried Tomb of Primeval Kings, still haven't seen the Underworld and Fissure of Woe, Domain of Anguish...the list goes on. I love to explore and experience these areas, so I'm slowly making my way to them. The game is no where near being over for me, and I don't expect it to be for a long long time. This is all forgetting PvP too.

Well I applaud you for being able to do all those things more than a few times, because I sure am not able to. Hence why the game is very very short for me, without the titles/armor/goals to grind for. (yes it is grind for me because I do and do not enjoy it at the same time).

So now that my explaining of my first post has been completed, I would say to you OP that, there isn't much you can do about it. If you want the armor you're gonna have to do some disgusting things. But as other people said, taking a break, going to a city and chatting will help it not seem as hard. Oh and don't forget the free chests in NF, they'll help you out somewhat. I would also recommend 1-2 nightly trips of FoW or UW. They will make you money, slow money but it won't be as boring then.

You can do farm runs the same way, that's how I do them because if I do more than 1-2 of anything I cry from the boredom.

Ah edit: This is the thing that's getting me..Longasc and others have said you do not "need" this or that armor to play this game. But he does, as that's his fun. If he doesn't have it, then the game isn't fun. He doesn't need it to be good or succeed at the game, but to have fun, for him, he does need it.

"You behave like someone is forcing you to play a game that bores you to hell." Haha there is, it's himself. I know that one all to well.